Mike celebrates the publication of "The New One, Painfully True Stories from a Reluctant
with his co-writer and co-wife J. Hope Stein. They are
joined by Matt Berninger, the lead singer of Mike’s favorite band
"The National” as well as Matt’s co-writer and co-wife Carin
Besser. This creative double date goes deep as the two married
couples open up about creative marriages, actual marriages, and how
writing poetry can feel like knitting.